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Underestimating Sudan and What That Means to the Region, the U.S., and the World

Underestimating Sudan and What That Means to the Region, the U.S., and the World

Faith McDonnell

At the Institute of Religion and Democracy since 1993, Faith McDonnell is the Director of Religious Liberty Programs and of the Church Alliance for a New Sudan.
She writes and speaks on the subject of the persecuted church and has organized rallies and vigils for Sudan in front of the White House, the State Department, the Canadian Embassy, and the Sudanese Embassy. She has drafted legislation on religious persecution for the Episcopal Church and for the United States Congress. In June 2007, her book, Girl Soldier: A Story of Hope for Northern Uganda’s Children, was published by Chosen Books, a division of Baker Publishing Group.
She is a Contributing Editor to Providence: A Journal of Christianity and American Foreign Policy and writes for such publications as Breitbart, The Stream, FrontPageMag, PJMedia, and with Chelsen Vicari has a blog site, Faith&Chelsen: Tackling Tough Topics in Church & Culture, on the Patheos Evangelical Channel.
Faith is a member of Church of the Apostles, Anglican, and serves on the church’s international missions committee. She serves as a board member for several human rights organizations.

Rough transcript:

Robert R. Reilly:

Tonight, we’re extremely pleased to have a real friend of the Westminster Institute who we’ve been happy to have here a number of times who’s going to talk about the very important subject of Sudan tonight. As you probably know, Faith McDonald has served at the Institute on Religion and Democracy as the director of religious liberty programs and of the Church Alliance for a New Sudan. It’s a subject on which she has frequently written. In fact today Faith has a new piece out in Breitbart on this subject. Faith has been very active in creating and supporting rallies on the subject of Sudan, was recently in front of the White House again, the State Department, Canadian embassy, Sudanese embassy. She has drafted legislation on religious persecution for the Episcopal Church and for the United States Congress as you may know the United States recently declared its position that- rather its decision to lift the sanctions it had imposed on the Sudanese regime of posture, which has hosted an assisted terrorists and persecuted Christian minorities. Faith also has a book on a different subject, which she published in 2007, “Girls Soldier a Story of Hope for Northern Uganda Skilled Rijn.” She’s a contributing editor to Providence, the Journal of Christianity and American Foreign Policy. We have complimentary copies of Providence out on the table for any of you who are interested. Faith also serves on the board of a number of human rights organizations. Our topic tonight, “Underestimating Sudan and what that means to the region, the U.S., and the World.”

Faith McDonnell:

For years I tried to figure out what’s wrong. Why aren’t we getting it why is nothing changing in the work that I’ve been doing for 24 years now on Sudan and South Sudan and it occurred to me finally not not like that recently but sometime along those years that we are underestimating this regime big time. The U.S. has done that, so at the Institute on Religion and Democracy as Bob said I direct the religious liberty program and what we call the Church Alliance for a New Sudan, which was taken from the vision of Dr. John Garang to have a Sudan that would be for all people, everyone treated equally, religious freedom, secular democracy. So this was before the CPA was signed and the South Sudan became a country that we we did that. And I’ll tell you a little bit more about my work as I go along because it fits into this but you have Sudan policy as I said it- we underestimate Sudan because it’s been what seems like a good thing but it’s rooted in humanitarian concern our U.S. policy on Sudan and South Sudan has been rooted in humanitarian concern. It’s the band-aid approach. Sudanese people and South Sudanese people have said that to me for years. We’re extremely generous and compassionate but we really don’t get it. We have been great to the Vic without acknowledging or stopping the victimizers with underestimated Sudan we treat genocide as a humanitarian issue. We have a faulty perception of Sudan’s ideology. Now when I say we you know I don’t know who the we is. I’m sure there are people in the Central Intelligence Agency who totally get it. There are people in the military who totally get it. But somehow our policy has not translated to that. We’re mornings from Sudan’s marginalized people, the people who could be our best allies, our best sources of intelligence because they would give us intelligence that’s real, that’s not lies the way the Khartoum government has. And Sudan’s remaking of itself in the last three years has been one of those warnings we just ignore those things.

So the first reason we underestimate Sudan is we underestimate their capacity and their willful intent to commit genocide. You know so genocide just happens you know it’s people fighting each other and genocide takes place, no it’s willful intent because while our policy is rooted in humanitarian concern their policy is rooted in Jihad. That’s why there’s genocide because it’s a jihad. So here’s a map of Sudan and South Sudan and you know we’re going to talk about the Box genocides that have taken place. So we’ve got the genocide in South Sudan and then the genocide in the Nuba Mountains and not the genocide in Darfur over here, the genocide back in Nuba Mountains again tonight so you know people shouldn’t have to go through genocide twice but the plan is, as I said, it’s jihad. So the whole country is supposed to be one and this- this came about now in South Sudan right after Sudan’s independence there was also a war of genocide, of war, basically the unyaunya war but I’m not even going to talk about that one. This- it was 1989 when President Omar al-Bashir came into power and they launched what they called al maraa al Hari, the civilization project. The civilization project was for the total Islamization and Arabization of the country and that’s what you call a civilization. If you don’t have that, you’re not civilized. Basically you may know that when 9/11 happened President Bashir sent his condolences to the U.S. and he specifically said we’re very sorry for the death of civilians. Well that means something different to him than it would to us. So this was the ‘civilization project’. Civilians are only Sharia-compliant Muslims. The SPLM and a Sudan People’s Liberation Movement and Army was launched to counter that you know even in the early days when I was working at IRD they talked about well the rebels, you know, the warlords… and our media didn’t know what to make of this, didn’t know if they should choose sides because mostly humanitarian groups weren’t choosing sides because if they did they couldn’t get in to help people. But the FPLMA was launched to counter that civilization project to say, “No, we’re not all the same. We- but we’re all equal. We should all have part of this country. We should have a secular democracy with religious freedom.” And that was John Garang’s vision of a new Sudan but the Sudan government created a Popular Defense Force, a militia from Arab nomadic tribes, using propaganda, telling them that you’re fighting jihad against these people that want to force everyone to become a Christian and they’re going to spread Christianity throughout Africa. So they recruited people that way and also recruited officers from the Muslim Brotherhood because the Muslim Brotherhood is very strong into Sudan in fact right now the ones who are running Sudan are people who were rewarded for fighting in the jihad against the south. There are people who are running hospitals, running universities. This was their reward for waging jihad against the south. Before I get to – let me just tell you a little bit more about the genocide in South Sudan because it never was declared a genocide the way Darfur was declared a genocide – but you know working on it for many years- Just in 1998 Dr. Millard burr who was then at the U.S. Committee for Refugees did a report called quantifying genocide in Sudan in the Nuba Mountains 1998 and there were already 1.8 million people dead in South Sudan and the Nuba Mountains at that time and it went on till 2005 so you can imagine how many more people died it was starvation you’ve seen that that horrible picture of the child with the ball you’re behind him the starvation in areas like Beryl ghazzal aerial bombardment mostly using Antonovs old Russian Antonovs throwing barrel bombs out of the plane I had a friend who testified before Congress because she was actually there Fran Boyle. Suzanne you know Fran on a mission when- when the bombing took place and a child died because they got out of the what do you call it the foxhole before the shrapnel had finished flying you know the shrapnel just would fly and shear through everything slave rapes. It wasn’t very popular and IRD and a few others were stood with Christianity Christian Solidarity international that was redeeming people out of slavery others were saying you know that’s so distasteful you’re paying for people yeah we’re paying to get them out of slavery those the former Lost Boys these were the young boys who were watching the cattle in the cattle camps and when the Raiders came and attacked their villages and they walked from South Sudan to Ethiopia they lived in Ethiopia and then had to flee from Ethiopia walked back and then ended up in Kakuma refugee camp in Kenya where they grew up and some of those Lost Boys well when they got off the planes they had stories to tell and I I was just saying today that I think that one of the reasons why we even paid attention to South Sudan where the former slaves and the former Lost Boys who told their stories now some of those former lost boys are bishops and archbishops one of the other things that they did this is another way we underestimate Sudan they use the divide and conquer strategy they used this on South Sudan so they pitted against southerners not always by tribal groups although sometimes but by the ones who were ambitious who wanted power and particularly react mushara who has also been the problem in this latest conflict that is going on in South Sudan maash are left John gang and Khartoum took him and said we’re gonna make you the president of South Sudan if you fight for us and so southerners were killing southerners in fact more southerners killed southerners than northerners did most of that is the policy was also use a slave to kill a slave but I guess they didn’t tell Ryoga that. We moved to genocide number two this was the same time basically 919 89 to 91 the Nuba began to fight with the southerners against the north because they believed in the vision of John Garang – so they join and of course were automatically attacked I said 90 – because that’s when jihad was formally declared against the Nuba by the governor of South Kordofan which is the Arab name for the Nuba Mountains that was just devastating what happened there the same kind of things as in South Sudan bombings villages burned scorched earth which is you know they come in and burn all the crops they kill all the the cattle and and everything else the Nuba are farmers they’re just amazing they don’t like having to depend on anybody else but this happened there were peace camps where the North put people and would only feed them if they would convert to Islam – northern style Islam’s because the Nuba are about 50 percent Christian 50 percent Muslim but everybody gets along the the leader of the S in the north now commander Abdulaziz Adam Alka Liu is a Muslim who loves Christians he loves me I know he loves Christians and these are these are amazing people and they were almost totally wiped out by this I was at the Episcopal Church’s General Convention in 1994 talking about what was happening in the Nuba Mountains and we we tried to get a resolution passed that talked about the forced Islamization of people and we had a debate about that because people said you can’t say that that’s you know you’re saying that Islam is a bad thing they said no we’re saying forced is a bad thing but we finally found some language that everybody could agree on so this was happening also in blue nile province this was but it was a different genocide because it was against a different group a group of over-40 tribes in the Nuba Mountains and as I said it was a policy of deer a summation and acculturation to try to rid the culture of the Nuba and to bring them into the Arab Islamist culture before we get to Darfur the U.S. made efforts to stop the genocide and they were big efforts you know I tried to help with them a lot but they were still rooted in humanitarian issues and believing that cartoon plays win-win you know everybody wins isn’t this great we’ll have a peace agreement and everyone will win but car two doesn’t play win-win it only plays win lose so we did what we could you know President Clinton was actually the one who put those sanctions that President Trump just lifted on Sudan so we had that to start with but then when President Bush came into office we got him to make speeches to use the bully pulpit to talk about the a stir in Sudan you know disaster that’s a humanitarian issue we changed us food aid delivery so that it would be given through groups other than just Operation Lifeline Sudan the UN Food Program because they gave coordinates to Khartoum where they were delivering food and then Khartoum would drop bombs on the people while they were waiting to get the food so that was actually Senator Bill Frist who was responsible for getting that changed the anti-slavery task force when we finally did push people to realize yes there’s actually slavery going on in Sudan. There was an anti slavery task force that was actually led by one of the founders via a pen Campbell if anybody remembers the lake pen Campbell he did that the Sudan special envoy position we pushed to get that and the Bush administration was thinking of making President Carter like this this is kind of this is coming out for the first time here the the first Sudan special envoy and we said no no we don’t want a President Carter please and I managed to find some material where President Carter had actually called Omar al-Bashir an enlightened and courageous leader so when I got that to them they said no I guess this isn’t the guy we want so it was senator former senator Danforth Jack Danforth was the first Sudan special envoy in the Rose Garden on September 6th my birthday 2001 he was made the Sudan special envoy and we thought you know wow things are gonna happen and then five days later 9/11 I was in the Rayburn house office building for a press conference on Sudan and Sudan connections to terrorism trying to get capital market sanctions against Sudan and you know what happened all hell broke loose literally but we did get the Sudan Peace Act passed in 2002 so part of the the work towards peace talks with Khartoum and the SPLA SPLM was a ceasefire in the Nuba Mountains so I really think that Senator Danforth saved the Nuba I think they would have been wiped out if it hadn’t been for Danforth pushing for this ceasefire in the Nuba Mountains as one of the benchmarks for the the peace talks that would eventually take place so we move on to genocide 3 in 2003 it started or at least we became more aware of it in Darfur and as you saw their fur was on the west of Sudan and this was again you know that the Darfurian saw what was happening with the peace talks and it looked like the South was going to become autonomous and our fur wanted to be autonomous – they didn’t want to be treated like second-class citizens anymore than southerners did so they started to rebel and the government responded by slaughtering civilians which it always does you know this is a war where civilians are slaughtered deliberately in every one of these cases so the government funded an armed Arab militias called Janjaweed you probably remember hearing about them with the whole saved our fur campaign and everything that’s gone on there was aerial bombardment just like in the south and in the Nuba Mountains followed by these Janjaweed attacks burned villages mass rape mass slaughter and when they killed people they would throw them in the wells to contaminate the water to destruction of crops but in the case of Darfur it took a year for declaration of genocide to take place in September 2004 by secretary Powell so you know you you I was just asked why do you think things didn’t happen with the south and they happened in in Darfur like this part of it was the bank account that the people who worked on Darfur had and the fact that they had movie stars working with them you know I brought a bishop from South Sudan to the State Department once to talk to it was Paul and O’Brien ski back then and there was all this hustle going on and bustle and in the hallways and Bishop Buland Ollie said to me what’s going on and they said oh well Richard Gere is here to talk about Tibet so everyone was looking out their doors wanted to see Richard Gere and we’re so interested and everything he had to say and Bishop Boone said to me I wish that we had someone like that for South Sudan never did you know I I tried I go to every like Christian rock concert I could and say to the band’s no you need to talk about South Sudan but it didn’t do a lot of good but Darfur thank God had a different story although you know even when the Declaration of genocide happened it really didn’t make that much of a difference it Darfur was more well known but it was still happening there was even just recently a mass rape just a couple of years ago and chemical weapons that Amnesty and Human Rights Watch have both documented with all of these as I said it was it’s John and once jihad is declared it’s never rescinded so you can have peace talks that go on Darfur had the Dartford Peace and Accountability Act which brought everybody together again thinking oh this is gonna be a win-win situation but there’s never a win-win with Khartoum Nuba Mountains as as we’ll see you know it deja vu nuba genocide again because once jihad is declared it’s never rescinded and the South what’s going on right now in South Sudan part of the jihad that the north declared against the south years ago they you know they give up graciously and allow the south allow the south to become a country and then do everything they can to undermine it genocide number four the Nuba Mountains again and that started just as the South was becoming independent and we underestimate Sudan’s patience too so and their long view of history that they’re gonna get what they need eventually I have forgot to say to endure forever places there’s repatriation going on that’s part of genocide – there’s a repatriation of the areas of Darfur with Arabs from outside even the country and this is also happening in areas that we haven’t talked about in Nubia in the far north and in the BG land in Eastern Sudan where the the indigenous people are being pushed out and replaced with people who are more in line with the government of Sudan it’s a demographic alteration of Sudan the comprehensive peace act we should say to made South Sudan first a regional government with part of the government of national unity and then just days later the death murder of John gang took place in July 2005 but genocide for was six years later 2011 when the referendum on South Sudan took place in January 2011 to vote for independence and then in July Independence Day for South Sudan and get the significance of that they wanted it to be July they have said to me over and over we want to be like the United States we want our independence to be celebrated in July but we don’t consider them allies right now so genocide for started then commander of Della’s ESA’s house and compound were bombed by the government of Sudan Abdul Aziz had won the election to become governor and then was not allowed to become governor and so that started the whole protest again which protests are met with mass slaughter so that was what what happened the government of Sudan decided this is as good a time as any to get revenge on the Nuba for siding with Kerrang and the south they didn’t get a deal with the CPA they got kind of a half deal but they didn’t get what the South thought so they really didn’t have the protection but the South had at that time so the genocide started in June and people were just being wiped out they were going house to house looking for Nuba and killing them in their houses if they tried to flee they were killing them on the roads and so what would happened after the bombing started and the killings people would flee to the caves and you may have seen the pictures of children in these caves in the Nuba Mountains people were reduced to eating roots and leaves because they couldn’t farm because the the Antonov’s would fly over and bomb them but also people died in the caves because there are insects and snakes in the caves that bite people invite the children especially others were displaced to South Sudan and to Kenya leader refugee camp in South Sudan when I was there in October 2013 there were about 70,000 nuba in eda refugee camp and the UN was pushing to close the camp they said that the people who it was too close to the border and people were going back over the border and they were gasp supporting the SPLA north which they shouldn’t be doing so the UN didn’t like that when I was there even in 2013 there were no teachers the Nuba taught the children themselves because the UN would not provide teachers in this UN camp they were no longer registering people they wouldn’t give them seeds to grow things just they had to eat the food that you know the UN brought in but the Nuba are farmers like I said so people would sneak back over the border and get seeds and I saw some great gardens in need a refugee camp and they had little borders that were made by empty insecticide cans which I thought oh this is probably not the greatest city this is a border but that’s that’s how they did it and they there was blocks of shops that the the Nuba did as well but they’re still there some have been pushed out they were pushed into another camp which basically was in a swamp not a very good place to be other people have gone back to the Nuba Mountains and just take their chances with the plains and say I’d rather die in my own area but that’s it and then genocide five also started in 2011 just a few months later in Blue Nile state and I call this the North Korea of Sudan because we really don’t have a lot of information about blue nile state and what’s happening because they have banned humanitarian access and banned basically access to the area the government of Sudan has but we know that they there’s a blockade on AIDS that there’s prevention of farming that crops have been burned cattle have been killed this the same thing that they always do and again division divide and conquer Khartoum divided the leaders of the marginalized people against each other so the leader of blue nile state Malik Agar was wooed by Khartoum the way that react mushara was in the south to oppose the leader of the Nuba and actually they have a prints going on right now in the Nuba Mountains to try to get things straightened out and I’m sorry but the U.S. policy has exacerbated rather than supported the the marginalized people because they say oh you need you need to make peace everybody needs to be included the same thing with the with the north we can’t even think about regime change or if we do it’s got to include everybody including the people that you’re replacing so we’re gonna move on from genocide and quickly finish with the other ways we underestimate Sudan under estimating Sudan’s leadership in global jihad and terrorism now this is where it gets really fun I have some letters and they give quote the evidence of Sudan’s collaboration with jihadis these are leaked documents and they have been authenticated by the CIA and they show that our allies provide real truthful intelligence because they risk their lives getting these documents to us and as I said they’ve been authenticated by the CIA this first one is July 15 2016 so it’s just last year when we got it it was March of 2017 Ibrahim Awad ali al bhed rios Omri who knows who that is anybody know who he is Abu Bakr al Baghdadi the Khalif of the Islamic state this is a letter to him from the Islamic movement in Sudan basically Isis in Sudan talking about money treats through Turkey with their companies then folio if you know anything about Nigeria and Nigeria’s Islamists that’s a great name for that and these other groups Sudan is providing full accommodation for all transiting Mujahideen to North and West Africa Isis okay Sudan is helping Isis get to north and west africa and then I mean even if you look at the beginning of it this is them congratulating him for becoming the Khalif of all Islamic state jihad in Sudan is excellent and we’re confident in you all your spirit and responsibility is how we are winning the war and goes on to say the nation of Sudan the nation of Sudan meaning the government of Sudan is helping us transfer our money from Islamic countries to the outside world the infidel countries those who are launching airstrikes against us the Sudanese government has agreed to transfer our money and hard currency and gold bullion so that the infidels cannot access it and there’s what the letter actually looked like we got it and my buddy translated it agency okay here’s another one November 14, 2016 this one is to the guy who’s the head of Hamas in Lebanon and it’s from the Lieutenant General of security in the Office of the President Taha Osman all the same when I was looking him up today to say huh I wonder if he’s really important or not I found a picture of him shaking hands with President Trump in Saudi Arabia I wonder if President Trump knows what kind of guy this is this is just appalling so it talks about them giving two million dollars in support of the Islamic state that you were founding in opposition to Western imperialism let’s look at this part though okay so he met in Mauritania and thanks and for allowing us to assist in your fight to rebuild Jerusalem we wish to help you embarrass the occupiers of Jerusalem okay they’ll stop Israel from building settlements and work to gain support for Palestine so that is what they’re doing and they’re gonna give them two million dollars so now that the sanctions are lifted economic sanctions imagine how much more money they’re going to give to groups like Hamas and Isis here’s another one June 15, 2016 from the same guy who shook hands with our president he’s the director of the Islamic movement in Sudan and he’s talking this time to the Taliban and says he appreciates their efforts and their exchanging military intelligence and tactics and other issues in other global Islamic movements but here delegated this guy okay so the president of Sudan to congratulate them be patient and do not panic Allah will finish our enemies in the world stay steady and repentant and be confident in Sharia okay so and then if you know he’s just waxing eloquent will be a shining light for Allah Islam and jihad so we can defeat America and there Alex do you think he told President Trump we’re gonna defeat you and your allies I don’t think so and then this last one from this is an old one but I thought it was still worth putting in here because this is – Iman al Zawahiri and they wrote this right after bin Laden was killed so this is Sudan renewing their allegiance to the new leader of al-Qaeda and this happened just before South Sudan independence and the war on the Nuba started and we must remain united to defeat our enemies and the interesting thing about this too is bin Laden was in Sudan now most people know he was in Sudan you know and for like six years at one point but this is later I’m talking about he was in Sudan on and off while he was living in Pakistan and we had people telling us you know this person was working in the president’s house palace actually Omar al-Bashir is palace and was the person who handed the cup to Osama bin Laden but we couldn’t get anybody to pay attention to it or believe it and you know there’s a there’s a quote from Elly Wiesel I can’t remember it exactly but it talks about how the Nazis did things so terrible that nobody would believe it that it was unbelievable and that’s how they got away with it that’s how soon an gets away okay the next point for under estimating Sudan’s ability to successfully lie and deceive about increasing I’m not at all subtle to get what it wants and to get the sanctions lifted and I would recommend to you this group Subban democracy first group you can find them on the website under that title Sudan democracy first and then this just talks about them remaking their image of course they did that with the help of lobbyists and they did it by will take in all these these Syrian refugees for you West Europe and ease your burden well they only do it because their radicalizing them when they’re there so on the same day that Obama issued the executive order the Treasury made monetary transactions for Sudan which now are permanent paving the way for debt forgiveness open U.S. Sudan cooperation began with the partial lifting and then there were these five tracks that the US government said well if Sudan does well on these then will will reassess it and maybe we’ll make this lifting of sanctions permanent so these were the five tracks increased cooperation in the war on terror cessation of LRA the Lord’s Resistance Army Joseph Kony who slaughtered people in Uganda and Sudan and the DRC and clear the maintenance of ceasefire in areas of conflict in Sudan and allowing the delivery of humanitarian assistance that means into the Nuba Mountains and everything and that became like the just the thing that the State Department was obsessed with well if they let the humanitarian assistance in and everything’s good but the SPLA North said no we’re not fighting for food we’re fighting for freedom so the final decision was to be made well you might say you know while all those letters you showed that was the period between January 2017 and October you know maybe they had their come-to-Jesus moment and they just changed totally and they don’t do things like that anymore today the Trump White House condemned brutal regimes like North Korea that don’t respect the rule of law or human decency but what about Sudan on Friday we told you about the hidden effort to ease sanctions on Sudan despite the vicious cruelty of the dictator Bashir now a DC law firm Squire Patton Boggs is being paid $40,000 a month by Bashir to help him lobby the Trump administration to lift sanctions against him today protesters gathered in front of the law firm telling them to drop Bashir as a client to stop helping this masked killer who incidentally is also under indictment for genocide the Trump administration has until July 12th to decide whether sanctions temporarily lifted in January should now be permanently lifted and whether to lift all the remaining sanctions I’ve been to Sudan I’ve seen the devastation with my own eyes mr. president do not let this brutal dictator off the hook you can prevent this one keep those sanctions on so here was the Secretary’s report and basically I think they just made a Xerox copy of the one that Kerry did and gave it to him to read maybe changed the dates on it but this was the the same kind of report that that was given in January in the Obama administration so they they described the government of Sudan actions between January and October and in those areas maintaining cessation of hostilities CoH in Darfur and the two areas of South Kordofan is the Nuba Mountains they don’t like to be called South Kordofan but we’re giving that to Khartoum to improving humanitarian access all the things I said and the report concludes that the government of Sudan has sustained the positive actions this conclusion is based on consideration of relevant and credible information and they talk about what that information is but did they did the government of South Sudan really sustain positive actions well I’ve got one more leaked document for you that we just got a little while ago about a month ago and this took place on June 18th so this is smack dab in the middle of the reporting period and this has also been authenticated by the CIA just a few days ago so this was a top-secret meeting and I’ve got the whole document in Arabic if you want to look at it I mean it’s all flourishes and beautiful and colors and but this is just the the translation but this was a top secret meeting of the National Intelligence and Security Services so the president the vice president the man who was just here in Washington Ibrahim Gondor is a foreign minister who also came to the National Prayer Breakfast by the way and unfortunately who a congressman brought to his district for a peace conference a couple years ago and then all these other guys but I only am giving you some of the quotes from Bashir and the vice president ok so these are the things that the president says as an Islamic movement we have strong relationship with Muslim brothers and Hamas ok they’re not changing anything we have a strong attachment with Muslim brothers they support us to maintain our Islamic government what is happening to Qatar is the action of targeting Muslim brothers and Islamic organizations in the world we financed the Islamic movements and the Gaddafi’s government assisted Morsi’s election campaign and enabled Muslim brothers to come to power in Egypt all these activities we realized through the help of Qatar and Iran one of the the justifications for lifting sanctions – is that Sudan has ended its relationship with Iran so how did they find that out did Bashir just pinky-swear with the U.S. that he ended the relationship with Iran I don’t think so we recognized the big role Saudi Arabia played and then they say that the U.S. promised to lift all the sanctions on July 12th through Saudi Arabia they told Saudi Arabia on July 12th yeah we’re gonna lift the sanctions on Sudan this doesn’t mean that they’re cutting their relations with Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamic movements or expelling its leaders from Sudan there are no guarantees to international politics either smart this is this is here they go again they’re the the Darwins best example of survival of the fittest when the US president is facing legal problems in America the Islamic movement is targeted by campaigns against this interest and and then he goes on to say that the reasons behind this are known because of our efforts meaning the destruction they’re doing in South Sudan Libya Central African Republic’s in a Celica is another Khartoum friend and Somalia al-shabaab they all go to school at African University in Khartoum – that’s another thing that happens al-shabaab Boko Haram Hamas Hezbollah they all go to school at the Islamic or African University but it’s a- it’s a jihad training place our support will go to our brothers in Lib in Egypt and Libya to continue struggle until we are totally in control of the Libyan land so that doesn’t mean you know that Sudan has to be in control of Libya but the Islamists have to be in control Olivia this is a good one following the expulsion of the Islamic state which our soldiers are giving their lives for and working on in the Middle East they’re gonna bring ISIS through five months ago and South Sudan which you know why not kill two birds with one stone that way we’re totally wrecking South Sudan and we’re also helping Isis our brothers in the struggle so that’s what they’re doing they’re going to find sanctuary in South Sudan and Beryl castle in Western Equatoria and then link them to Boko Haram and use some of them in Libya – so the Sudan has a plan along with ISIS for a West African Caliphate they already had shown us our the Africa the Middle East Caliphate but they have a plan for a West African Caliphate – which is basically if you can see it I don’t have a picture of that but it’s the same area that was controlled by Islam back years and years ago so they want to reestablish that if sanctions are lifted it’s our right to establish relations with Iran okay so they lied surprise surprise they also lied about North Korea there was some articles today about Sudan doing some business trades with North Korea not only that but it might be that Sudan is providing uranium to Iran as well there’s uranium in the Central African Republic and it is tak they use what they call taxi drivers to bring it through and one of the ports that nobody seems to be checking is a port just south of Port Sudan on the eastern port side of Sudan called silicon and it could be that uranium is going out that way and I’ve also heard that there might be uranium being brought in at to shape cases – I saw a picture of what is supposed to be uranium in a bag that says you know it’s something else but a general from dar Ferg told me that they have good reason to believe that that’ Iranian but that nobody would pay attention so we our security cooperation continues tell us how wonderful Iran is and then says there’s a alliance between Turkey Qatar and Iran ok so now the end here just what the Vice President had to say he’s not as some his he doesn’t use as much flourish as President Bashir he just you know goes for it to complete they want the complete listing of sanctions will put pressure on Saudi Arabia to convince the US president to lift the sanctions completely that will bring political victory they already think they had a victory that the TV in Sudan has shown the president and Ibrahim gondor talking about this is a victory we have won this battle and defeat the rebels and opposition’s that dream of regime change if the sanctions are lifted the rest is easy and this really hurt according to my judgment the Americans and Europeans would not neglect their security for the benefit of a few people called activists in America and he thinks you know they can’t get intelligence information if they don’t get it from us they’ll cooperate with us if they don’t lift the sanctions then we’ll stop cooperating with them on intelligence will stop the combating of illegal immigration human trafficking which they themselves are behind by the way and money laundering and they want Bashir to be taken off of the International Criminal Court and they want the removal of Sudan from the list of states supporting terrorism so that’s what he’s saying now there are sources of information and intelligence like I just showed you there are people who are risking their lives to get that intelligence and the U.S. should realize that we can get intelligence for people we can trust not for me but we can’t trust this show what they’re doing in South Sudan remember Jihad’s never rescinded will control the situation inside South Sudan will increase the production of oil to prevent Salva Kiir the president of South Sudan from defeating his opponents and will support the Darfur movements in South Sudan and in Egypt Salva Kiir his goal is not to live Sudan sanctions but they do not know that Sudan possesses information that the U.S. cannot obtain is safe ha ha ha well maybe not we will punish Salva Kiir and and Abdulaziz Adam alhelou in a suitable time and here we go instructors and those in charge of recruitment are to recruit from the International University of Africa to find students of South Sudan who are members of the Islamic state to assist those who are coming from the Middle East and jungles the welcome-wagon okay and that’s what that document looked like on page one and this is the same document this is another reason why I thought oh my gosh this has to be real I’m not sure but I think that this is Field Marshal Hafner of Libya if anybody knows what he looks like I think that that is him because they talk about destroying after in the document and in this video this guy was freaking out holding up this document and so if he’s not it’s somebody there one final thing how we underestimate Sudan we underestimate how much Sudan government hates us and wants our destruction this was a rally at the White House on September 16th demanding the lifting of sanctions and they had these you can’t see the t-shirt but there’s these signs that had American and Sudanese flags and saying peace and friendship but once you get beyond that there were other things this guy he looks really cute doesn’t he I mean that’s a cheerful looking outfit my Darfuri friend told me those are Dawa clothes when you when you declare jihad you put on Dawa clothes and you say that you’re declaring jihad so basically this guy was declaring jihad in the u.s. offering the Dawa the opportunity to convert and if you don’t take it that’s it man you’re done so and he was quite aggressive as well so ready for the videos these are just two minute videos to give you an idea of what went on at this this rally this was just a few months weeks ago yep this is the Sudan Embassy’s video so it doesn’t so it has lots of pretty young girls wearing Muslim Student Association sweatshirts here to Sudan we are together we are there were lots of American flags and they were being dragged all over the ground doesn’t know they really can watch this boy in the red shirt he just lets that flag go and I would love to know what that symbol means I don’t know what that is but it no the other one with the little tie thing I don’t know what that is but it freaks me out ok let’s move on to the next one that’s it that was the Sudan embassies official video this is Yahoo it’s it’s a it’s anti-Semitic Arabic talking about what happens in Khyber outside of Medina when Mohammed slaughtered thousands of Jews and this song goes on to say we’re gonna come back and finish the rest of you and they’re singing this chanting this outside the White House one of my friend that the the Sudanese who are for freedom said to the guy what is that you were saying so that he could get it on video again but there’s those t-shirts friendship and peace between America and some and yeah remember oh girl hey hey ho ho Donald Trump has got to go then suddenly she remembered oh wait this is an auntie farrelly and started stay and they were very intimidating – there was one guy who was like flashing the Quran at people as if it was a weapon okay that’s enough we can’t take any more in this and then the last thing while they were there they were passing out a paper again in Arabic doesn’t anybody pay attention to Arabic anymore I mean outside the White House to be talking about the destruction of the Jews but General Moussa who is the head of the popular defense force there which I was talking about earlier that wiped out all those people he sent his greetings to the people at the White House in Arabic but we got the translation which is a little crazy because it talks about every fighter having 19 thousand mermaids so I don’t think that the translation came across to that yeah I think it was virgins but mermaids maybe something new is happening so he says we salute our jihadist brothers who stood in front of the White House to lift the punishment on these noble honorable Mujahideen who changed the world by holding on the embers of jihad and fighting disbelief and then he says shame and shame and shame to the American people the sellers of their conscience and he says to the Mujahideen we promise you God willing and soon that our faithful armies of the popular Defense Force and the militias of faith will trample the arrogance of America within its territory and its rulers will be captured in the hands of the Mujahideen and their women and their daughters be slaves slaves to the believers and then he talks about having a dream that the warriors of the Mujahideen took over the White House and the smell of the air of paradise so these are not our friends okay these are not our oh I’m sure I’m sure what should we do well don’t underestimate Sudan please I pray that every night please God don’t let the U.S. underestimate again speak the truth what’s what I’m trying to do and I’m gonna you know make sure that these documents get as much publicity as I can stand up to Saudi Arabia if Khartoum is pressuring Saudi Arabia we need to stand up to Saudi Arabia and say hey you know we might be allies with you on some things but we’re not gonna do this support the good guys who give us intelligence both hear the good guys from Sudan who live here who are our friends and in Sudan and South Sudan and there’s some of the good guys that was the last demonstration that we had to try to stop the lifting of the sanctions outside the White House who’s actually a friend of Congressman Gohmert he sees him he works at the airport and he sees Congressman Gohmert all the time so I said we gotta make something of this relationship here others from my friend how those are the people we should be supporting those are the people that are the friends of the U.S. and my brother we need to support the people who are our friends and not underestimate Sudan anymore my friend hawa that our furry lady sent me that picture and I think she circled it because she said look at these crazy people they’re wearing what they wear in Saudi Arabia so that was the only thing I knew yeah I think the Khartoum government did prep maybe they’re lobbyists helped you know the lobbyists Squire Patton Boggs who’s working for them but a lot of them are very wealthy they’re not like the refugees they have lots of money so they can come over and do whatever they want the American Sudanese you mean but but the Sudanese ones yeah they they could be or they could just be ideologues who really care about this yeah I don’t know because their that is a good thing evil no no the only thing I know is that the UAE and Saudi Arabia were pushing for it so if they have relationships you know there but still there a lot of the depending on what’s going on for Sudan and South Sudan they’re depending on Obama people that are still in the administration cuz they don’t have a clue like you said they don’t know what’s going on but they think these are the experts and surely on an issue like Sudan we can trust them you know they might not trust them on Obamacare but they trust the people who are working on this exotic issue of Sudan a South so you know they’re taking the they’re taking the word of people in the State Department who say you know well you know if cartoon says we’re gonna allow food aid in then the whole game is over you know we’ve won no we haven’t won because cartoon lies for one thing and they’ll bring in food that’s poisoned for another thing oh and I forgot to tell you two that last document the one from this past June the Ambassador from South Sudan who is the in that Ministry of External Relations in South Sudan is the one who brought that and he brought it to the State Department to a meeting with State Department suits Sudan special envoy office and someone from USAID is an advisor to the head of USAID and they said we don’t want to see it we’re trying to build our relationship with Sudan so this is information there’s terrorism against the U.S. and against the world and they didn’t want to see it so to me that’s like the biggest story here and we need to get that on Fox News or something and if the President sees that that may change his mind the Congress Senate and House both didn’t want the sanctions lifted so ya know that it’s Congress has always been better I’m sorry there’s anybody who worked for the State Department but Congress has always been better than the State Department on these issues so yeah pardon no no they’re not pardon they’re doing cartouche pardon I I think part of it is there’s people right now who have this whole globalist view of things and want everybody to get along and there’s moral equivalence it’s like you can I know No yeah I I did there’s always been something strange about Sudan and in terms of that too but I think you know maybe I thought when when Donald Trump was elected that we would see things change and sir you mentioned Sebastian he just he isn’t looking at Africa I talked to him about this when he was still at the White House and he said wait till we have somebody who’s in the National Security office for Africa and and talked to them but it depends who that person is yeah because he’s a friend of mine but but he’s not looking at Africa maybe now that we have evidence that Sudan is helping ISIS in Africa it’ll change but I don’t know.

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